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I understand that if $p$ is prime then $p-1$ must be composite (at least divisible by $2$ as it is even). But how does an algorithm find a prime $q$ such that $q \\cdot r = p - 1$. I thought prime factorisation is such a hard problem?

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The critical facts enabling to find such $p$ in practice are:

  • We can easily tell with practical certainty if an integer with many thousand bits is prime or not, using a primality test such as Miller-Rabin, even though we are typically unable to tell all its factors when it is not prime.
  • About $1.4/b$ integers of $b$ bits are prime. Thus it is more likely than not that randomly trying $b$ integers of $b$ bits will uncover a prime (for $b>4$).

Hence a possible method to find a somewhat random large prime $p$ with some large known random prime $q$ dividing $p-1$ is:

  • first randomly select a suitably large prime $q$
  • for successive $r$ of suitable size
    • compute $p\\gets q\\,r+1$
    • if $p$ is prime
      • output $p$ and stop.

There are refinements to this. Obviously, we can restrict to even $r$. That's a special case with $s=2$ of a more general tweak: for any small prime $s$, it must hold that $q\\,r+1\\bmod s\\ne0$, thus $r\\bmod s\\ne-q^{-1}\\bmod s$. This allows to build a sieve of possible $r$, eliminating most candidates without a full primality test.

There are standardized algorithms to generate such $p$ and $q$, including deterministically from a seed. See FIPS 186-4 appendix A.1

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  • $\\begingroup$ Hey, thanks for the quick reply! This answers all my questions. :-) $\\endgroup$ – Linus 8 hours ago

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